[Tinusch]

Wouldn't someone with that kind of skill be one of the world's best artists? And yet he has a website on CROSSWINDS?

[AprilYSH]

i can't SEE any of these pics. crosswinds keeps timing out! can someone please upload them to their server and post them.

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[kanabis]

he's probably gone out looking for a girl that looks similar to micke's drawing for another photo session

good luck man ...

[n8]

ha..thats pretty funny kanabis..
and thanx for the technical info stuff bout the articats ppls =)

[Liquid!]

Just thought I would chime in with my two cents worth. My first impression seems to agree with most of you on this board, however, I am reminded of some of Craig Mullins' work.

http://www.goodbrush.com/hirez_pgs/concept/concept2/lincoln.htm

Looks like a photo to me, but its a gouache painting (and there are plenty other examples of Spooges awesome work). I guess what I trying to say is that its possible that you can't tell for absolutely certain if something is a photo or not. And while the images seem to be manipulated photos, I would hate to lose the possibility of having a truly gifted artist join this board and lose the opportunity for all of us to become a bit better at our own craft.

This forum is very unique, in that it is extremely helpful and supportive, I would hate to see us lose that. At the same time I would like Pierre to share some of his knowledge with us, since obvisouly most of us seem to be completely convinced that he's passing off photos as paintings. What greater compliment could there be?

-chris

[This message has been edited by Liquid! (edited October 11, 2000).]

[dr . bang]

Interesting found,

Interior cockpit of the 2001 Oldsmobile Aurora



Pierre's

[dr . bang]

A better find

[Liquid!]

I guess you can ignore my previous post.

[Seph|roth]

well, i think those images speak for themselves..
well pierre, i think the only word that comes to mind is : NAILED

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[Rinaldo]

Ouch! I was Thinking along the lines of what Liquid! said until I saw those car pics. Spooge can draw stuff that could pass for a photo with relative ease.
I don't think it would be a great task to do a lot of the stuff on Pierre's site (Not saying it's easy but there area lot of people who can do it) but the presentaion of it is suspect.

some of those "paintings" are a waste of time anyway IMHO. Even if that acrylic painting of the street was what he claims it to be. Why on earth copy a crappy digital photo, all artifacts included. At least pic a nice photo. It's this sort of thig that would make me suspisious not the photo realism.
If they are not traced then it's pretty good ref work.
The thing that pisses me off is the fabrication. saying that something is your own when it's from a photo.
Those horse sketches look awfully like tracings to me. Not that people don't have that style but those pics have all the halmarks of a trace.

*Sigh*

[IO_Error]

heh... All I can say is, Damn! I didn't get to get in on this round of Threno-busting..

[Frost]

Pierre... are you out there?

[YourMum]

Hi all! I read almost all those comments and I have my opinion to say: I have "researched" some photos with computer (zoom, etc..) and it seems like some of pierre's work is fakes. I mean that there are different monocromatic and solarized points in every photos.. (hard to explain... ouch..) that aren't able to paint with acrylics, for instance. Or I have to say never say never but I can't simply imagine and understand that pierre would have done so. Unbelieveable. There are many things on pierre's "paintings" that doesn't make any sense when talking about the paintings and stuff. He would have to be very tailented... if you want to make something photorealistic, you have to "paint" pixel-by-pixel -style, for example. This is my opinion. I apologize my bad english. Hopefully you got my point. Judged. See ya around.

-Juha-

[SushiMaster]

You don't even have to paint pixel-by-pixel, you "just" have to work on a very big version and then resize it a lot...

Daniel

[YourMum]

SushiMaster: Okay. I agree that. But I have noticed that pixel-by-pixel -style is better sometimes.. but it take lots of time. Also combination between these two styles is usable.

-Juha-

[micke]

Hmm..Case closed i guess.

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[YourMum]

Micke: Umm.. I think so. But I would like to hear and see pierre's opinions.. *lol*

-Juha-

[Joachim]

ofcourse it's very good to use photos when the point is to have realistic shadowing. Like spooge, ofcourse he uses photo ref. on many of the pictures, but that's with the intention to make something different, but with photo to help you can make something non excisting more believable (like with matte painting)...but it requires a lot of understanding and skill to addapt one thing over to something totally different.
But, pierre saying he is glad that people think it's photos, because that just have proved that he has managed to make things totally real. But, when drawing from a photo, without changing anything, it's just duplicating, there's no creation, just hard work. And, what's the point I ask ? Why not just stick with the photos then ? I just hope those pictures are made from own photos, if not it's rather cheesy having a whole painting collection which is based on pics from corbis or something.

oh well, I hope for pierre that these paintings were made for a more personal reason more than just to copy a photo.
blargh! I don't want to have anything more to do with this discussion, I don't like flaming people. Pierre has every right to do what he likes to do.

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[Nex]

and *poof* the magic dragon ate all the digital drawings from his website.
what a coincidence-

[yoshi]

He picks pretty lousy photos to duplicate. Symptom of a bad taste there.

[BlackFork]

Yoshi- you're right, BUT, I'll wager the reason he chose such "mundane" photos to *paint* was so that your average person would believe they were real. He's quite obviously a con-man. Unforunately he picked a forum where people of varying abilities and areas of knowledge congregate. All of us here are Digitally savy in some form or another. He picked the wrong pond to swim in.

In closing- the face he "sketched"? I looked at it again and his major blunder, in my opinion, was his over use of "look-how- sketchy-this-is" lines. THe sketch lines dominate the periphery of his "art work" and massively over-power his image. When I first saw it I was thinking "What the hell?" This guy is up to something. When I do a rough sketch, and I think most will agree with this line of thought to some degree, I'll often do a loose play of lines in the background... mostly consisting of rough geometrics, for the sake of quick layout. You know just to figure out where I might want to go with a rough sketch. This guy pulled the plug and overloaded his sketch lines as if to say... "Look Maw, I did a purdy drarin. I are good dijitel paintar!" In short- what a cheap-ass goon.

[waylon]

What had me convinced that he was a fraud (on top of all the other details) was the horrid composition, lighting, color, etc. Someone that can duplicate a scene that well obviously would have picked up some design skills somewhere along the way.

Incidentally, I wonder what was up with his winged lion sketch. I only looked at it briefly, but it seemed to be a legitimate painting... Wonder if it was his.

[Affected]

One thing: about the acrylic painting. photorealistic paintings are often quite large, which means you can't scan them. So, maybe it's a bad photo of a painting... Of course, if that was the case, you'd think he'd have mentioned that...

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[burn0ut]

uhh... it looks like he just used photo refrence then if you look at the car, it looks like marker to me.. shrug

i may be neive or however u spell that but i dont think hes a fraud.

[dr . bang]

This guy loves buick, most of the cars pic he has are buick.

[Liquid!]

quote:

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Originally posted by burn0ut:
uhh... it looks like he just used photo refrence then if you look at the car, it looks like marker to me.. shrug

i may be neive or however u spell that but i dont think hes a fraud.

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I think that's because he put vellum (which is transparent) over the actual photo and 'markered' it up. The problem with that is twofold:

A. He didn't change anything about it to correct, or enhance the 'reference'. Keep in mind, I'm assuming that 'tracing' a photo over vellum is acceptable. Make your own call on that one.

B. The real problem is though, and this in my eyes is the more serious of offense, he called the drawings 'concept sketches'. I'm no expert, however, I think a concept sketch PRECEDES the actual fabrication of the car. Afterall, you're doing 'concepts' of what would look cool. Then again, maybe they loved his 'concepts' so much that they painstakingly reproduced a photo to match his 'concept' exactly

Just my thoughts...

-chris

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[Seph|roth]

He got a job in Athens for the Olympics ?
man, maybe i should start taking pictures and telling people i painted em..



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[Dhabih]

those all pretty much look painted to me. except maybe the government buildings one....but i think we shouldnt all jump to conclusions right away. There was a big movement in the 70's or sometime around then were a lot of artists where drawing hyperrealistic paintings the pretty much looked like photos just taken randomly around the streets.

Either way, just so you know there are people out there who can do art like this, so don't assume right away its just a photo with a filter over it. My take on it....i dont know what to believe, and i dont really care, its not my place to assume someone is "cheating" without knowing the person or having any proof otherwise. If its real, awesome, he is a great addition to the forums, if its not real....oh well, we move on and keep having fun.

-dhab

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[nova]

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[n8]

hello...!!??...piere??...whered u go....youre supposed to POST MIKES PIC WITH YOUR BRILLIANT PAINTING!!!!STOP READING YOUR THREAD AND POST SUMTHING!!...cheers