[spooge demon]

Could you guys give me an opinion on this site?

http://www.storyboardsonline.com/

They want to rep me. It seems a little strange that there are no artists names anywhere.

"we can give you a discount on that bulk wrapped processed bubble packed art product if you sign up for our..."

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The other problem is the brush palette in PS 6. You will see what I mean when you get it. The party is over.

Has anyone figures out how to free the little brushes from that menu bar? I would seriously pay someone to hack that thing open.

I have been using PS 4 until I got a G4 and HAD to upgrade to get the altivec plug in. We all have to upgrade sometimes.

That is all.

[DuKEZ]

Spooge you stay up as late as me, cept im not doing anything :P

As for that storyboard website.. i didnt quite get what the hell it was all about. Looked like something you pay for and they advertise your (storyboard) art for you? shrug.

Secondly, dunno about your photoshop 6 issues. Ive got 5 and i'll say straight up its not a legit copy :P so i wont be upgrading anytime soon. Besides Ive read the features of 6, not that much fancy things :P and I dont even use this photoshop much anyways.

Well best luck to you. Keep the drawings coming :P

[Svanur]

Only thing I can say about them is weird. Somehow I can't see exactly what they are trying to do with this site. And it's a bit weird that they ain't naming any artists. Probably so buyers wont contact the artist himself and get a better deal which results in Storyboards online getting no money at all.

[PuckDewd]

Craig, I think that website would be a pain in the butt for you or any other artist. I don't see it anywhere but you can probably be sure that they take a generous percentage of what ever you make from the project since they "got you the client".

AS for PS 6, I haven't gotten it yet, I'm still using 5.5 but I hear alot of mixed reviews about. I'm a member of the NAPP and they sent out a whole issue of Photoshop User on the changes that were made in PS 6. I am guessing you want them all showing so you can just click on it and roll? I've always used the bracket keys to scroll through them and pick, but I'll send your question into the NAPP help desk and let you now what they say.

-Puck



[This message has been edited by PuckDewd (edited October 16, 2000).]

[Shane Caudle]

Hey spooge, I know what you mean about the Brushes in PS6, that sux!! I didn't like it either. I've used the beta a little. I figured they would change it for the final version. It is sad that PS6 dosen't have the brush customization that Painter 6 does. Do you use Painter much? I use both daily, but I find that Painter paints much better that Photoshop.

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[Rinaldo]

I'm getting ver 6 soon as a free upgrade. sounds pretty bad. I haven't been very optimistic about the future of painting software. Adobe seem to be making PS into a jack of all trades, leaving people who want to use it for painting/art stranded.

that site seems a bit suspect to me. another bunch of people wanting control and money. I mean a lot of stuff these days is full of marketing rubbish but this seems very blatent. all the categories, lots of assumptions. I can't get over the feeling that they are Full of S#!T. they would need to be pitching to advertising people I would imagine, and that sort of rubbish just isn't going to go down all that well with people who do marketing for a living. crappy big talk when talking to people who can do it better is a waste of time. it seems to be for people who don't need story boards very often.
Idunno lay terms and big talk turns me off.

the thing that would, aside from everything else, make me say no way is the fact that they have bad jpegs. Maybe it's just me but I'm very suspicious of people in a visual industry who don't give a damn about what things look like.

What kind of G4 did you get btw Spooge, and how fast are you finding it?

[Fruitbat]

I got to help translate the names for the new liquify commands for the Japanese version of PS 6.0 when I was visiting tokyo this summer. They gave me a developers T-shirt and all. But as far as I am concerned the Liquify command is the only reason to upgrade. (But it is a pretty good reason, unless you have a cool plug-in like FLO [mac only]).

The think that irks me the most about PS 6 is that it is so half-ass. They give us these useless text-effects (that take about 2 seconds to do manually, like drop shadows etc.) just because the "users demanded" they keep the text editable with effects. Well they SHOULD just make a hybred of illustrator/photoshop, but then they would sell half the software, so we will have to wait until some else does it first, and then they HAVE to follow suit or be left behind. They did the same thing with pagemaker too and look what happened (it's been replaced). They have simplified everything to make it more acessable to beginners that want to tinker, and added none (well, one, though they almost didn't include the liquify command) of the important features that apply to the professional high-end users.

To be fair there ARE lots of little improvements, like manageable layers, and the way they save files etc, but the power user is still left wondering what do adobe really thinks this software is going to be used for. It's like they are in denial. I mean honestly, do they really think that all the guys buying photoshop just to make a few drop-shadows for a geocities homepage are actually PAYING for the software?

I have said too much already. Yes. I hate the new brush menu. Why don't they just make the entire menu FULLY configurable?

[Danny]

Site strikes me as a little dodgy...
I agree with what Svanur said.



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[Chapel]

Spooge: That site doesn't look too odd to me. But, I don't think they want to represent you I think they want you to work for them. i.e. no artists names are mentioned. You would be their employee not a freelance artist. Basicly, it looks like someone came up with a gimmick for companies to communicate with storyboard artists. Now they are trying to get the talent. In other words you don't need them.. they need you.

Did you watch the demos on that site? Pretty neat stuff. Looks like you would have to be able to work pretty fast.

[This message has been edited by Chapel (edited October 16, 2000).]

[Frost]

Hey Spooge.

Checked out storyboardsonline.com a bit... personally, it just looks a bit odd to me. They show some storyboard shots and all, but no artist names are presented. The way I see it, they *might* try to screw you over by having your images hosted on their server, with an agreement such as "all files posted on our server become our responsability and property" type thing. Whatever the case is, their intentions and services are a little fuzzy, at least in what they show.

If you're looking to get better exposure on the net, I think there are better ways to get around to that, like improving your site's design a little to make it more 'approachable' to the specific audience you target, and submitting your site/url to yahoo and such, including game art related sites (gamasutra, etc.).

[Jaymo]

quote:

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Originally posted by Frost:
If you're looking to get better exposure on the net, I think there are better ways to get around to that, like improving your site's design a little to make it more 'approachable' to the specific audience you target...

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I do absolutely agree with Frost. The design and navigation of your site do not match your skills and your awesome work. First time I saw your site I was not interested and did not look any further, but went on surfing. When I came back thru this forum I realized I had missed a lot of very useful content and the works of a highly skilled artist.
Just my 2p...

[Chapel]

I agree about your website design to get exposure. It could use a major overhaul.

I'm not sure why everyone thinks that storyboard site is odd. I think it represents what their purpose it pretty clearly. It just doesn't say how it benefits the artists that work for them. I think we would have to see the letter they sent you to form a valid opinion.

[assa]

Hmmm..

whois -h whois.networksolutions.com storyboardsonline.com ...

Registrant:
HY-TECH1.com (STORYBOARDSONLINE-DOM)
P.O. Box 1811
Santa Maria, CA 93456
US

The domain/website is build and owned by
dudes from www.hy-tech1.com, and their page
looks mighty unprofessional.

The "Interactive Art Services Inc" label
sounds a bit too slick and cliche imho, part
of the uncool internet money making goldrush.

The whole artist cam concept is pretty vague
too, it sounds made up and not really
practical from an artist point of view.
(Unless you think viewing stamp sized
realvideo slideshows rule hehe.)

I think this is just another marketing driven
website with lot's of promises and little
actual result (not too mention profit for the
storyboard artists themself.) a.k.a hoax

Be carefull, and offcourse get some legal
advise first!

assa
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n.b Then again, i could be sssooo wrong

[This message has been edited by assa (edited October 16, 2000).]

[Nex]

I know a site very similar to this one and it seemed very suspect to me so I asked what it was all about via email.

their point was:

.) there was no point

They agrumented that their site would get a lot of traffic and would so benefit the artist. Its very doubtful that they really had much traffic there (because of the art they had there.. very crappy stuff).
They wanted money for every single picture submitted per month and they wanted a 20% cut of the sales price of the picture.

So i don't know if this storyboard thing is the same but i would doubt that they are after anything else than their own cash.

[Rinaldo]

I was so blown away by spooge's splash page that I never stoped to look at the site design.
How could anyone pass on a site with a splash pic that good.

[Chapel]

Too much speculation is going on here. www.hy-tech1.com is just the web hosting company. They probably help set up the website and registered the domain for them. So, they have nothing to do with the storyboard co. As far as the artist-cam it sounds hokey, but the demos I think are actually kinda neat. (and they are BIG.. not thumbnail size) Like I said before it really depends on what they sent spooge. I will say this though.. they don't want spooge so they can represent him as a freelance artist. They want him to be on their art team.

[assa]

Indeed www.hy-tech1.com is just their hosting
provider and website creator. But WHY use
a crappy site, bad jpegs if you promise
high quality digital storyboards and pro
artists on your site hehe..

This is not a sign of quality.

Imho it's just an agency (with more interest
in money then quality or content) and there
are a lot of semi vague companies on the
internet looking for easy money.
It never hurts to be a bit paranoid.

assa

[Anthony]

Two things:
1) I wouldn't trust any "artist" site with a color scheme like that. If they were decent, they'd have a decent looking site.
2)You're absolutely right on PS6. That's one hell of a disruption to my workflow. I can only imagine how annoying it is if you're in PS 24/7. Same thing with the brush options, which I'm always checking on/off. I'm sticking with PS5.5 until there's a fix. Painter6's faster than PS6 now, IMO, due to this screwup.

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Originally posted by spooge demon:
Could you guys give me an opinion on this site?

http://www.storyboardsonline.com/

They want to rep me. It seems a little strange that there are no artists names anywhere.

"we can give you a discount on that bulk wrapped processed bubble packed art product if you sign up for our..."

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The other problem is the brush palette in PS 6. You will see what I mean when you get it. The party is over.

Has anyone figures out how to free the little brushes from that menu bar? I would seriously pay someone to hack that thing open.

I have been using PS 4 until I got a G4 and HAD to upgrade to get the altivec plug in. We all have to upgrade sometimes.

That is all.

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Carpe Carpem

[Snake Grunger]

I spent a couple of hours downloading the ISO of PS6 for Windows, and I've been very dissapointed.

1: It's much slower than PS5.5 I had installed previously!! And I'm on a PC, which is supposedly bad for PS If I get a dual P3 coppermine, I don't want it to go as fast as PS went on my Athlon 650

2: Now when I use the brackets to change paintbrush size, it doesn't actually scroll between your brushes, it CHANGES the size of the brush you are actually using relitavily, meaning if you're at 50, it'll go to 40 or 60, if you're at 100, it'll to go 150 or 90. PRETTY CRAPPY STUFF IF YOU ASK ME, there's no way to change the settings for this. I liked it when I could go to 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 20, 22, 24, 26, 28, 30, 33, 36, 39, 41, 44, 47, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70, 75, 80, 85, 90, 100, 110, 120, etc.. THIS IS HOW I WANT IT. Now the difference is TOO HIGH between brushes I cannot paint.

I didn't get the time to try out all it's "new" features, but these two problems are enough to make me uninstall it and reinstall PS5.5.

[Fred Flick Stone]

Craig, don't do it. I have seen that site. It is a bunch of crap. They are basically flattening out the medium, eliminating the names to faces step, and generalizing the costs. There would never be any mention that you were the artist at hand, the company would retain the credit, and you would be in the doghouse. The site has very little quality work on it. I think I recognize some of Neal Adam's work on it, but that's all.
My bet would be, don't do it. Unless you need the money, but you might not get paid much, unless they have worked out some kind of contract with you.

I haven't used photoshop 6 yet, what is the situation with the brush lock out?

[PuckDewd]

OK Craig, I just got the answer back from the NAPP help desk.. Good and bad, here it is word for word:

No, you can't tear off the palette and have it floating. There was a HUGE
debate about this during the beta cycle and there just wasn't really a way
to make it work correctly. So, typical Adobe, they gave us something better:
Control-Shift-click anywhere in your document while you've got a painting
tool active. The Brushes palette not only opens, it open where you need it.
Way cool on a 21" monitor set to a resolution of gazillions by gazillions
pixels.

Hope this helps you out.
-Puck

[CapnPyro]

I have an *ahem* "extended-demo" version of PS 6 that i got a week ago or so. For some reason using the airbrush leaves really skippy marks, it's not smooth at all. I also dislike the brush pallete, the layer controls and text effects are nice though. I still use PS 5.5 (i have a G4 and it has the alti-vec plugin btw)

That site looks like wang. I wouldnt trust any site with such a horrid color scheme, small pictures, broken pictures and no artist credit. Not to mention you don't seem to be doing to bad by yourself heh. Your site does need a facelift in a bad, bad way (i know im not one to speak, im working on it though )

-Capn

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[Snake Grunger]

PuckDewd: Hey, HEY! I want to use BRACKETS [ and ]!!

And, Photoshop 5 is even more responsive than 5.5 on my Athlon 650!! Hooray!

[This message has been edited by Snake Grunger (edited October 16, 2000).]

[PuckDewd]

Snake, you can still use brackets with 6.0. The way I understood that response from the NAPP help desk is that the Control-Shift-click command opens the brush size palette so you can just click the brush you want. Those of you running version 6.0 can verify that and let us know if it's a shortcut even worth using.

-Puck

[Liquid!]

quote:

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Originally posted by spooge demon:
Could you guys give me an opinion on this site?

http://www.storyboardsonline.com/

They want to rep me. It seems a little strange that there are no artists names anywhere.

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Ok. I looked into this. I know a friend of mine that has done some work for them. He said that they don't give artists credit, that it takes them up to 3 months to pay you, and lastly, it's mostly work for advertising companies so the turn-around time is very tight. On the other hand he also said that the guy in charge was an honest guy.

Take this for what it is. Hear-say. I asked a friend of mine that has first-hand experience, however, this still isn't as good as relating my own personal experiences.

-c


[This message has been edited by Liquid! (edited October 16, 2000).]

[Snake Grunger]

Puck - You should read my first message in this thread where I explain why the bracket use in PS6 isn't as good as the one in PS5.x

[spooge demon]

Thanks everyone!

I agree with the overall sentiment about that site.

I was intrigued because of the idea of working remotely.

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Puckdewd, I owe you one. That tip saved the day. What is NAPP? national association of Photoshop professionals, I guess?

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So (sniff, sniff) you don't like my site anymore?

So what should I do? I am not a web design guy, as witnessed by the problem now being addressed.

If your suggestion is a more logical way to organize it, speak up and I really will consider it.

If your suggestion is that it needs to be slicker with more flash and crap, it's not gonna happen. Simple is good.

If you feel some aspect of the design is dated, ugly, poorly done, lets hear that too, but as I said, I really suck at graphics, so I might change it, but a different set of people will then think it sucks.

Many of the jokes about Industrial Designers and graphic design were because of me.

[shahar2k]

The Ctrl Shift thing dosn't work at least not on the PC version don't know on the mac (I'll try to verify macs at school) but the brackets work fantabulously

heh it took me literaly 6 hours to type this message because I recently converted to win 2K so I had to do a couple things in order to get my E-mail working and get my password

[This message has been edited by shahar2k (edited October 17, 2000).]

[Striker]

One thing that always jumps out at me as a sign of whether a site is legitimate or not is errors in the text. Storyboardsonline has two errors on the first page alone. Real businesses built by professionals don't make mistakes like that, because they are responsible enough to check over their work. Quality of the text and site design are two things that I rely on when deciding whether to purchase from a lesser known ecommerce site, if they don't show quality and dedication to their work, then I don't buy from them... I think the same rules apply to storyboardsonline as well.

[garuda_x]

p'SHop 6 sucks. the whole consolidating the brushes in that top menu is a bad idea and i think that adobe just wants to screw the whole thing up...maybe it was a big payoff from microsoft so that they can try to pimp corel draw on all of us....hehe. or maybe not.

well, its back to pSHop 5.5.x for now........